I have an Istanbul green letter 20" thin crash i want to sell.It weighs 1925 grams.I have used it as a ride mostly.It is an excellent all purpose cymbal.It has a production stamp of 1991 on it.It has no cracks or keyholing,and has that great classic K sound.It has two bosphorus rivets installed,but they are very easily removed should you want to.I am selling it for 120.00 which i think is very reasonable.Email me at fruitsman1990@yahoo.com for pictures.