Early 1970s Paiste red logo 2002 13 inch crash cymbal.It is in grate shape for its age. As far as I know it might be a proto type I got it from a paiste rep in 1972.It sounds grate as a high pitched splash for rock. At 63 I have retired. Price$300.00 includes ups ground. my cell phone #940-442-4361 Thanks! J.W.Miller